الصهاينه و اقباط مصر

[KWA]

الكنائس تقاطع اجتماعا صهيوني

لمناقشة أوضاع الاقباط في مصر

جنيف ­ ماجدة طنطاوي:

علمت 'أخبار اليوم' ان الكنائس القبطية في سويسرا سوف تقاطع حلقة البحث التي تنظمها عدة منظمات غير حكومية صهيونية حول حقوق الاقباط في مصر بمدينة زيوريخ في الفترة من 23 الي 25 سبتمبر الحالي.

ومن المقرر ان يناقش المجلس الاعلي لحقوق الانسان اليوم موضوع حلقة البحث حيث وضعت علي جدول اعماله.

وصرح حافظ ابوسعدة رئيس المنظمة المصرية لحقوق الانسان وعضو المجلس الاعلي ان المجلس سوف يناقش موضوع هذه الندوة اليوم.. وتتجه النية لمقاطعتها وعدم ارسال اي وفد من مصر وذلك بسبب وضوح سوء النية في تنظيم هذه الندوة حيث تبين من الموضوعات التي تناقشها حلقة البحث ان هناك تحاملا شديدا من جانب الصهاينة علي مصر وان حلقة البحث تسعي الي زرع فتيل الفتنة بين الاقباط والمسلمين في مصر.

جدير بالذكر أن حلقة البحث تحمل عنوان 'أقباط مصر.. أقلية تحت الحصار' وتنظمها منظمة التضامن المسيحي وهي منظمة غير حكومية صهيونية.

2004 سبتمبر من 18 السبت

اخبار اليوم

[دكتور عادل الليثي]

صباح الفل

خبر حلو عالصبح

[Abouhemeed]

الواجب أن نعقد مؤتمرا ندعوا له كل المنظمات في كل الدول تحت عنوان

مسلمون و مسيحيون تحت الإبادة في فلسطين

تعرض فيه القضية الفلسطينية و مأساة البشر تحت نير الصهيونية منذ نشأة الفكر الصهيوني إلى اليوم

[وليد صفوت]

أنا مع الاستاذ أبو حميد ......واجب الا نقف بدون اى رد فعل ......يجب علينا عقد مؤتمرات ذات تغطية إعلامية كبيرة لنناقش فيها ما يحدث داخل الاراضى الاسرائيلية ........

و هذا دور الجمعيات الغير حكومية .........

تحياتى.......

[al_barad3y]

اقترح ان تكون القاهره هى مكان انعقاد المؤتمر بدل سويسرا

وان يكون عنوانه " مسلمون واقباط من اجل غد أفضل "

وكفايه اسلوب النعامه

وبلاش نكفى على الخبر الماجور

[Guest Mohd Gramoun]

هل يشارك في المؤتمر مندوبون عن قناة الحياة النصرانية؟

أو ممثلون عن منظمة الأقباط المصريين الأمريكيين بقيادة العميل مايكل منير؟

[se_ Elsyed]

هل يشارك في المؤتمر مندوبون عن قناة الحياة النصرانية؟

أو ممثلون عن منظمة الأقباط المصريين الأمريكيين بقيادة العميل مايكل منير؟

مما لا شك فيه يا جرمون إن هناك نوعيات تصطاد في الماء العكر ، وأساتذة هذه الرياضة هم اليهود ، الذين يعز عليهم أن يروا دولة كبيرة مثل مصر يعيش أهلها على إختلاف ديانتهم في وئام وسلام... فواقع الأمر يقول بإن هناك عدد كبير من المسيحيين الشرفاء يدركون ويفهمون الأبعاد الحقيقية لتلك الإدعاءات الباطلة والتي تقول بإن هناك إضطهاد ديني للمسيحيين في مصر وبإنهم لابد أن يأخذوا حقهم في هرم السلطة ... إلخ ويتزعم تلك الحركة المأجورة قلة من المسيحيين يعيشون في أمريكا ...

فمايكل منير او غيره لا يمثلون هؤلاء الشرفاء .... وحتى قناة الحياة أعتقد بغنها لبنانية وليست مصرية .. والقناة المسيحية المصرية التي اعرفها هي قناة Sat 7 والتي تُبث على القمر الصناعي الأوروبي Hotbird وكل برامجها برامج تثقيفية أو أعمال درامية مسيحية .

فدعونا نقف جميعاً صفاً واحداً في وجه الصهيونية الإسرائيلية ومن وراءهم من الأمريكان ... فلا اعتقد بإن هناك مصري واحد أصيل يتمنى ان تصل مصر إلى المرحلة التي وصلت إليها لبنان في السنوات العشر التي ذاقت خلاله ويلات الحرب الأهلية ... او الصومال التي ذهبت ولم تعد نتيجة للفتن القبلية والحرب الأهلية .

[ggamal]

طبيعى جدا ان ينصرف المسيحيين عن اليهود لان اليهود لا يعترفون لا بسيدنا عيسى صلى الله عليه و سلم و لا بالمسيحية

Dealing With Christianity:

I am a Jewish student at a Catholic High School and I'm writing a paper on my own religious beliefs. One of the questions is who is Jesus? I don't even believe the guy ever existed but where can I find support for my view that he wasn't anything special. I can't just say I don't believe in Jesus. I need to support my view. Thanks.

Answer:

The first thing you have to recognize whenever you are discussing the Jewish position on Jesus is that it is the Christians who must prove their case, not the Jews. The Jewish religion existed for thousands of years before Christianity, and Christianity accepts the truth of the Torah and other Jewish Scriptures as Divinely revealed truth. As such, there is no need to enter into any debate regarding the truth of Judaism per se when dealing with Christians. However, Christians maintain that their god, Jesus, came to the world and annulled the laws of the Torah, replacing them with a "New Covenant" that demands belief in Jesus. This is an extraordinary and untenable claim on several grounds:

The claim that a human being is actually God, or part of God, is clearly a very serious claim. Most of us, if presented with such a claim, would reject it out of hand as an utter absurdity, even bordering on madness. Yet, Christianity claims that Jesus, a human being, is God. Obviously they have to prove this before we should be expected to accept it. But what do they actually offer us as proof? A few miracle tales written by his disciples. Yet, despite the rather dramatic claims made by these few followers, we find little or no mention of Jesus in any of the historical sources from the period he supposedly lived in. Every religious movement makes such claims about its founder, yet obviously they cannot all be true. Why should we pick the stories of Jesus over the stories of Krishna, Buddha, Mohammed, or any other such legendary figure?

(Just as an aside, some may respond that the same accusation could be leveled at Judaism. However, this is incorrect. Judaism, alone among all religions, is based upon events that happened in the presence of hundreds of thousands of eyewitnesses, primarily the Exodus and the Sinai Revelation. These events, which are the foundation stones of Judaism, were witnessed by the entire Jewish people and qualify as objective historical events. No other religion claims to have had similar experiences, because such claims would be obviously false. The Jews, however, can make this claim because these events really happened (as any Christian or Muslim will agree).)

The idea that God would take physical form (as in the physical form of Jesus) is clearly repugnant to the Bible, as we see from Deuteronomy 4:15-16 and innumerable other places. It is this concept which is the basis of the prohibition against idolatry, one of the worst sins. If we would accept the premise that God could or would take physical form, then any form of idolatry could be justified by its followers as legitimate and the prohibition against idolatry would be meaningless.

The Torah, which Christians believe to be God's word, states in several places that the laws of the Torah are eternal. See, for example, Deuteronomy 4:2, 29:13-14 (KJV 14-15), and 29:28 (KJV 29:29). In particular, see Deuteronomy 13:1-6 (KJV 12:32-13:5) where we are taught that we are not permitted to add to or detract from God's laws, and that if a prophet arises who teaches us to worship a new god we may not listen to him, even if he performs miracles. Yet, Christians believe that Jesus declared himself to be God, and that the laws of the Torah are no longer binding. How can Christianity claim to accept the Torah (the "Old" Testament) while rejecting its most basic principle?

Christians claim that Jesus was the Messiah which the Torah tells will someday come. Yet, contrary to the claims of Christianity, Jesus never fulfilled any of these prophecies. Briefly, these are:

He will return all Jews to the service of God in all its details.

He will rebuild the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.

He will gather in the dispersed Jews to the land of Israel.

He will bring the entire world to serve God in unity.

Clearly, Jesus did not accomplish any of these things. In the past I have encountered Christians who have argued that Jesus has not failed to fulfill these conditions since he will fulfill them at the time of the "Second Coming". This is a meaningless argument. As the conditions clearly have not been fulfilled, there is no reason to assume he is the Messiah simply because some of his followers say he will do so at some undetermined point in the future. I could as easily make the same argument for myself, I will fulfill the conditions in the future so believe I am the Messiah now.

Even if we would reduce the claim for the legitimacy of Jesus from that of deity to that of a prophet, we would still be faced with a serious problem. The Torah lays out clear guidelines for determining who is a prophet. Jesus never qualified according to these rules, particularly since one of these laws is that a prophet cannot claim to abrogate God's laws and Jesus sought to do just this. It is for this reason that Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon, better known as Maimonides, one of the greatest leaders of the Jewish people, applied to Jesus the verse in Daniel 7:25, "He will speak words against the Most High, and he will wear down the saints of the Most High, attempting to change the seasons and the Law" (Igeres Teiman).

For all these reasons, and others as well, Judaism cannot accept the claims of Christianity. As these opinions are all firmly based in the Bible, which Christians claim to believe in, it is upon them to prove beyond a doubt that their god is a true god and not simply an idol. They have never done this because it cannot be done. Jesus was clearly not God, not the Messiah, and not a prophet.

Nevertheless, the opinion of most historical scholars, including religious Jews, is that Jesus was an actual historical personage though he may not have lived at the time the New Testament claims. In any event, whether he ever lived is very secondary, the tales told of him in the New Testament are almost certainly all fictional and are completely unsupported by any other historical text from that period.

You can find useful information on this topic in a book published by NCSY (National Conference of Synagogue Youth) and Artscroll titled "The Real Messiah?" by Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan. This book was written as a response to Christian missionary activity and deals with the claims of Christianity.

Christian Prayer Group at School:

[بيشوى المصرى]

انا باتمنى اننا نعمل بكل كلمة نكتبها على انها عهد علينا ولا نطلق الكلمات هباء فمثلا وانا فى الكلية كنت اتمنى ومن كل قلبى ان اشارك فى مسيرات الشجب على ما يحدث للعرب وفلسطين ولكنى كنت ارى انها تاخذ محور دينى اكثر وهتافات تعوا الى القتال وغيره ولا تفرق بين مسيحى ويهودى بل الكل كان سواسية كفرة وهذا ما كان يحزننى ويجعلنى ابعد قدر المستطاع وان اكون سلبيا .. فليتنا نكون يدا واحدة فى مواجهة اى عدوان على مصر وطننا اولا ثم اى وطن اخر فمصر اولا اولا وقبل كل شئ