اتفاقية كامب ديفيد

[Facts researcher]

More about the WAR between Israeli and Egyptain Intelligence for WAR 1973, WAR 1967 ; I will add here documents that descripe some IMPORTANT details of this WAR – I mean intelligence WAR – but Before adding them , PLS I want to give very IMPORTANT hints for EVERY BODY who will read any Jewish sources :

· For sure you will see some exaggeration – even in 1967 – which is the nature of any Israeli scycologically propaganda aggressive WAR to their enemy as this is known about them.

· Also , usually they don’t give their losses – ESPECIALLY in the troops – not to give more ambtions and gloory for their enemy . This is also very well known about jews. For example you will see in the Mossad reports below, that they lost about 1500 soldiers !! and this is not the truth at all. The US army Handbook Facts report – which I gave to you previousely -  said that Israel has lost 5000 soldiers as official reports of Israeli Defence Army. And all knew that the official numbers are usually less than the truth for killed or casualties.

So in these two documents about Mossad Intelligence roles , you will see and read some exaggeration , and some false documents as well. But the most of the  truth really written – especially about 1973 WAR – was the Book written by the 6 war correspondents which I pointed at the beginning of  my post . And part of these documents are existed in more detail in this book.

Here is the link of the 1967 Mossad rule – see how they planted their spies in Egypt and Syria -  :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/intel67.html

Here is the Link of all the 1967 WAR story from Israel Perspective :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/1967toc.html

For the WAR between Egyptian Intelligence and Israeli Intelligence in 1973 WAR, read this :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/intel73.html

read how they confessed about their Mossad being defeated by Egyptian Intelligence which cause high officers in Mossad to be fired – just like what happened in Egypt after 1967 war -  ,  and how they at the end of the document they turn the truth into normal success. This you won’t read it in the book I have given you of the 6 Israeli corespondents.

Any way …. Let’s continue to the peace process results, and if this can be called peace or ARMITICE  .

....To be continued ......

Ayman

[Facts researcher]

To go directly for the results of Camp David treaty, I will post here a link that publishes the treaty issued by Israeli Jewish Virtual Library. I selected the Israeli side to post the treaty items from, so that we can expect the most aggressive items that might be against Egypt  to be published. I know that some of them might be not published even on any site on the internet [ Nevertheless , our brother “Khalid Ahmed” ,  post an important link for us ] , but any way I will put another article that might touch items not seen in the below link.

Here is the link that gives the “frame work” – and be carefull from this word between the quotations – of Camp David Treaty :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Peace/cdtoc.html

If you want a FULL DETAILED day by day of these negotiations, PLS see this Link, and you will see every single bit for treaty preparation and day by day activities :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Peace/cam...id_accords.html

Let’s analyze the items of these treaty …

…..To be continued  shortly…..

Ayman

[Facts researcher]

a- Egypt gave the peace to Israel. Yes, accoarding to the treaty the zone in Saina between 20-40Km is without Heavy Weapons , like Artelliry , and Air Defence missiles and heavy Tanks . This can be seen in the “Stationing of Forces” item. So no “”Military ”” Airbases. Military airbases in Saina. In this zone only United Nations forces and civil police equipped with light weapons to perform normal police functions will be stationed within an area lying west of the international border and the Gulf of Aqaba, varying in width from 20 km. (12 miles) to 40 km. (24 miles). Zone of 50Km east of Suez Canal and Suez Gulf (this means the passages=MAMARAT), can have only one Military division Mechanical Infantry which is about 22000 pearsons [PLS read the article that I will give below at the end of this point]. Border patrol units not to exceed three battalions will supplement the civil police in maintaining order in the area not included above. This is beside Early warning stations may exist to ensure compliance with the terms of the agreement. This Early warning stations are existed in both sides of the international boarder.  The below link can give you a brief for other items of this treaty .

     http://www.alshaab.com/GIF/29-03-2002/Seif_eldawla.htm

b- Egypt gave Peace promises that the social, political, public, economical normalization will occure.

c- Peace with Jordan, Palestine (name here as the Palestenian Authority representing Palestenian nations), Lebanon – although no occupied land at that time from Lebanon - , and Syria ;  has been discussed.

Let’s see each of the above items in more detail :

A-

Without going into Military issues in detail here ofcourse, but we can see that till MAMARAT we have single division of Mechanical infantry,…etc. Well, many members here in this discussion place gave some reasonable and good suggestions posted by them , and here is the link :

http://www.egyptiantalks.org/cgi-bin....;t=5348

I don’t want to get envolved into how to overcome any issues here, as this is not correct to be mentioned clearly like this in such location. But I think many can make brain storming for this issue.

    ………………BUT………………..

    I want Here  to provide you with something that might be forgotten, which is the     millitary lines in previous cease fires, or what is called Armistrice treaty happened between Israel and any arabian country got envolved in a war . In “ALL” previous wars between Egypt (or any arabian country) and Israel , there was :

- safety zones between each side , and watched by UN Emergency forces (UNEF).

- An agreement between each side, I mean Egypt (or any arabian country) and Israel, to settle Peace between them and to cease fire or any aggressive actions using armed forces between the two parties. Not only this, but also these treaties in the previous WARs were having items about restoration of peace in Palestine !!!! Do you want a proof, Ok , here it’s :

For War 1948, here is the complete Armistice treaty between Egypt and Israel

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/isegarm.html

PLS read carefully Article I and Article VIII, which clearly mentioned Military limitations on the Egyptians forces , and Israeli as well measured by the population of the both sides at that time. Not only this, but also settle peace and

cease fire, I mean “POLITICAL” Peace, not normalization of political relations like what happened in Camp David. If you want to read the proof that this happened also on all the arabian fronts, you will find here everything regarding other Arabian frontiers in 1948 WAR armistice treaties :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/1948toc.html

Ok, what about 1956 WAR, is their any treaties that contains peace items between Egypt and Israel ..??… Yes my brothers – and sisters ofcourse !  -. If you want a brief of what happened, PLS see this :

http://www.onwar.com/aced/data/sierra/sinai1956.htm

To explain many things about peace treaties – or Armistice treatis, whatever you want to call it as you will see afterwards that both are the same with some differences - , we have to clarify many facts. Some people saying that : Egypyt closed Tiran Strait in 1967. This is WRONG!!! Because this happened in 1950 for the first time. You want the proof, OK , here it’s :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/egtous.html

as you can see the existence of Egypt in Tiran islands was to threaten any passage of ships going to Israel through Aqaba Gulf. And this was really the issue that Israel was taken into its account after the Armistice treaty with Egypt (and other Arabian Countries) in 1949. Any way, after the Nationalization of Suez Canal by Nasser, Nasser also threatened the passage of shipping going to Israel. Also he continued to threaten the shipping through Tiran Strait destined to Israel. Actually This was the target of Israel from its campain on Sinai. Israel target was to get a legal permission from UN for safe passage of shipping destined to it through Tiran Strait through Aqaba Gulf, as it was in its political agenda. When Nasser prevented shipping to Israel through Suez Canal after his Nationalization of Suez Canal, then Israel puts this as another target. So they have two targets – before preparing for Sinai Campain: first free pasage of shipping through Tiran Strait, and the free passage of Suez Canal for ships destined to Israel.  Unfortunately, Nasser didn’t calculate it correctly from the political point of view. He could Nationalize the Suez Canal(which is ofcourse our right) without being threatenning Israel (as many are saying: seeking for leadership), which made Israel to participate ofcourse in 1956 WAR to achieve its targets. I mean Nasser fall in the trap that Israel wants to take it as a reason to do its trap. You want a proof for all the above, OK here it’s :

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/i...iswithdraw.html

Unfortunately, UN has issued Resolutions that oblige Egypt to give free passage to shipping destined to Israel through Tiran Strait and through Suez Canal.. More over, another UN Emergency Forces has been sent to Gaza and Sharm El Shiekh to monitor the applications of UN rules and cease fires between Israel and Egypt. Do you want proofs for these facts, OK; here it’s;

-à UN General Assembly Resolution 997 (Sinai Campaign)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga997.html

-à UN General Assembly Resolution 999 (Ceasefire in Sinai Campaign)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga999.html

--à United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1000

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga1000.html

-à  United Nations General Assembly Resolution 1001

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga1001.html

à UN General Assembly Resolution 1002 (Ceasefire in Sinai Campaign)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga1002.html

à UN General Assembly Resolution 1124 (Call for Israeli Withdrawal)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unga1124.html

-à  UN Security Council Resolution S/2322 (Freedom of Passage in the Suez Canal)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unres2322.html

-à  UN Security Council Resolution S/3675 (Egypt's blockade of the Suez Canal)

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/UN/unres3675.html

If you want a reference for all events of WAR 1956 ;

http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/1956toc.html

The Base of the UN EMERGENCY FORCES were in Al Arish, and it was mostly from Indian forces. Want a proof ? Ok, here it’s :

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/CONFLICTS/Suez.html

The shipping through Suez Canal for ships destined to Israel, has been given to Israel legally by UN. As you can see from United Nations Security Council Resolution S/3675 issued in October 13, 1956 ; Egypt – represented  by its Foreign Minister agreed on allowing for ships destined to Israel. So no one can tell me now that Nasser was preventing ships from going to Israel through Suez Canal. Yes, he was refusing ships passing through Suez Canal with Israeli flags, but any ships raising another flag, it has the permission.

So People who are asking now for preventing ships from going to Israel, and claiming that Camp David allows this, they are totally wrong. As the previous resolution gave them this right.

... to be continued .....

[Facts researcher]

MY QUESTION IS :

DO YOU SEE ANY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE MILITARY SITUATION – taking into account the existence of UN Emergency Forces – after 1949/1956 WAR armistice and now? I would say No. The situation now is similar to what was in1956. Review the camp david item of UN Emergency Forces stationing locations and Emergency Forces locations in 1956, and also compare the tasks of these UN Emergency forces in 1956 and now, Same.

For any one who may be confused a little bit or hesitated to take this thought, PLS remind your self of the reason that Israel was waiting for in order to launch its attack in 1967. It was the expell of the emergency forces, and the closure of Tiran Strait, this is because there are UN resolutions against these two actions, and these two actions will give to Israel for sure the “LEGAL “ reason to launch war attack.

Some one can say, Israel doesn’t need any legal reason to attack you. It has already aggressive by its own culture.

Well; Yes I agree that Israel has an aggressive nature, and wants to attack Egypt (and any country), but if you spoil Israeli traps for you, and at the same time kept your power up and progressing such that you are able to defend your capabilities not to damage them in non well prepared facing with your enemy, till:  either well prepared war that you need it – like  1973 WAR - , or a war that your enemy really oblige you on it. I know that what I’m saying now may anger many people, and may seeing it as withdrawal from the battle square. Well, if you want an example from the Islamic period , take events of  Moa’ata battle. Sahaby Khalid Ebn El Waleed had been withdrawn  from the battle when he realize that this battle for him is a lost. He didn’t think like the following : “ I have to be sticked in the battle square as our belief as Muslims is more than our Enemy “. No, If he thought like that, his army will be destroyed and the road to EL Madina will be completely opened, SO THE

MAIN TARGET , WHICH IS THIS NEW ISLAMIC STATE WILL BE DESTROYED. See how Sahaby Khaled Ibn El Waleed – May Allah Bless his spirit – calculated it. As there are some subjects related to the fate, there are some issues as substancial subjects; you should calculate it. Untill this point, nothing – seems to me, and may be others – can be considered loss for Egypt.

B-

Regarding the Economical, social, political, public normalization. Well, here we can see that there are losses ! specially in Economical and political. Economical, a fear from any jewish capitalization to penetrate through our economy, and how this can be very dangerous on our future, and presence as well. Political, it’s not the abstract existence of an embassy , but the fear of the spies, affecting the society with any strange thoughts and opinions, WHICH ARE REALLY WE ARE IN CONTRADICTION – as an Islamic society – WITH THESE THOUGHTS.

Well here , the role of Social Public Communities in defending against these issues, and gives the correct realization for the members of our society. Well, for me ; I like the thoughts of El Ekhwan El Muslimeen in Educating the pearson character, so he will be “”” MENTALLY “””” strong against this STORM of these fake THOUGHTS.  

…. BUT , let’s admit something : NORMALIZATION CAN’T BE HAPPEN, BY FACT OF OUR SOCIETY AND RELIGION THOUGHTS ARE REALLY DIFFERENT THAT THEM. So the normalization between the majority of the society can’t occure. You want  an evidence; See what is happenning nowadays between the youths who didn’t see any WARs against Israel, and the PEACE CULTURE  didn’t affect them at all.

I don’t minimize the problem here, But I’m giving the other shinning side of the fact. Any fact in our life has two side: the sweet and the sour. For example: This Intifada sour point is the high number of killed Palestinians, BUT at the same time, you have Horror and panic that each Israeli is feeling. More over the Israeli Economy is loosing heavily. So don’t look into the darkest side, look into the shinning side, am I right .

Regarding the economic relations with US. Well, cuttingbthis relation ofcourse will cost egypt. Not because Egypt can’t live without these AIDs, no. If you want to be convinced that the Economical Aid  Egypt doesn’t get a lot of benefits from it, PLS read Haikal interview in Dream CH.2 :

http://www.elosboa.co.uk/elosboa/issues/266/0800.asp

I don’t want really to speak about the Military AID, as even Haikal asked him slef not to talk about something militarian in front of the public.

for knowing what can be expeted from US to make in case Egypt want to tear the economic relations, PLS read this to have an idea, although the article is a brain storming :

http://www.alshaab.com/GIF/29-03-2002/38.htm

C- Regarding Lebanon, Jordan , and Syrya Envolvement in the camp david treaty, it’s noticeable that  Syria wasn’t mentioned with deterministic items at all. Only Syria has been mentioned in the item that states : Camp David treaty is a basic for any peace with Syria ( as with Lebanon, and Jordan ). But what is being noticeable is that Palestinian Authority has been mentioned many times, and well defined with “teritorries “ for this Authority. Not only this, the treaty is mentioning that this Authority should be in whole West bank and Gaza Strip. Also PLS NOTE THIS IMPORTANT THING. West Bank and Gaza , was a complete separate section in this treaty . PLS read in the link I gave about the Camp David Accord the West Bank, and Gaza strip article. This article was depending – and explicitely mentioned in the accord -  upon the UN resolution # 242, and 338 mentioned in the “Preamble”  part of the occurred. Also this should take 5 years of negotiations to establish the fianl Palestinian Authority. Which means what is Arabs now Agreed on and signed in there last summit in Beirute !!!..!! Well, some one can see these items of the West Bank and Gaza Article is really going back to the same situation before 1967, which is nearly correct. The only think that hasn’t been mentioned “ explicitely “ is Juresalem. Well, what was its issue here. Will it be nuetralized ?? as there is an already resolution for this in the UN after UN Palestine division resolution in1947, and the in 1949 armistice treaties.

For me , I think Sadat didn’t insist on mentioning Syria in the treaty because of his anger from them as they were cursing him as known. By the way, Kng Hussain phoned Sadat before the signature to ask if he can come and sign with him – this is mentioned by Hassan El Tuhami in an interview with Emad Adeeb in Orbit -, but Sadat refused, it seems because same reason , and he didn’t come in Mena House summit.

Finally regarding the nuetralization of Egypt from Arabian/Israeli  conflict. Did Egypt really went out of the equation??or Egypt adapted from its old policy – revolutionary policy – against this conflict. Well, if Egypt went out, WHY WAS EGYPT IS THE GREATE ASSIST WITH ARAFAT IN HIS NEGOTIATIONS WITH BARAK IN CAMP DAVID WHILE HE WAS UNDER HUGE PREASSURE TO SIGN A TREATY THAT HE WASN’T AGREED ON?? AND ARABS AS WELL?? EVERY ONE – I GUESS – SAW AMR MOSSA IN ABU DHABI CHANNEL descripping the moments when Clinton asked Mubarak on phone to  persuade Arafat to sign, and President Mubarrak said that Arafat and him can’t drop the right of Muslims in Holy locations especially in Juresalem. What I think – and ofcourse there are different opinions – that Egyot policy has been adapted after Egypt saw that :

NO ONE COUNTRY CAN ACCOMMODATE THE HEAVY COSTY REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CONFLICT, ESPECIALLY AFTER SADAT GOT replies from arabs very negative when he asked for assistant. Any way, The next

battle – which will come without any dicussion - all arabs should be available in the battle location.

Regards;

Ayman

[Facts researcher]

********** Apology ***************

I want to apologize to every one who was not feeling comfortable from my writting in English as it's really out of my control. soon I will try my best to be able to write in Arabic.

What was my intiative to write, is to show many info infront of many people here in this "" respectable ""discussion site"" specially in these dark moments in which all are trying to find the candl hope light .

Again, PLS accept my APOLOGY .

and thanks for brother "" ragab2 "" who initiate openning of this subject.

and PLS accpet my repects.

Your brother;

Ayman

[Facts researcher]

Note: I didn't complete my items 4. and 5 as because I don't want to bother more people of writting in English.

Regards;

Ayman

[ragab2]

شكرا كثيرا أخونا أيمن حمزة

ومن ناحية الكتابة بالانجليزية لا تأخذ فى بالك نحن نقدر ظروفكم فى الغربة

تحياتى

[AbouAlhooool]

The American Administration and the Department of Defense are preparing to deploy American national guards in Egypt.

As they are deploying troops in the American Base in Kuwit in preparing to next Iraq war.

-- I can not say-here- where I got this from, in canse you ask.

[Faro]

لقد بلغ أبو الهول أكثر من 7 آلاف عام ولم يبوح بما يخفيه من أسرار  فهل سيبوح بها اليوم ؟؟؟؟؟؟

[AbouAlhooool]

عزيزي فارو;

من الممكن; بعد سبعة ألاف سنه أخري. :)  :)